The commander of Sweden's air force, Mats Helgesson, recently made the bold statement that his country's Saab Gripen E fighter could beat Russia's formidable fleet of Sukhoi jets with none of the expensive stealth technology the US relies on. Russia's Sukhoi fighters have achieved a kind of legendary status for their ability to out-maneuver US fighter jets in dogfights and pull off dangerous and aggressive stunts in the air, but Gripen may have cracked the code.
The Gripen can't carry the most weapons and has no real stealth. And it isn't the longest-range, the fastest, or even the cheapest jet.
But it has a singular focus that makes it a nightmare for Russia's fighter jets. Justin Bronk, an aerial-combat expert at the Royal United Services Institute, told Business Insider that like the A Warthog was built around a massive cannon, the Gripen was built around electronic warfare.
Virtually all modern jets conduct some degree of electronic warfare, but the Gripen E stands above the rest, according to Bronk. Montage showing the different phases of an acrobatic maneuver performed by a Sukhoi Su M0tty via Wikimedia Commons.
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Gripen pilots don't like to show their cards by demonstrating the full power of the jet's jamming in training. But the one time they did, it completely reversed the course of the mock battle in training, Bronk said. One of the Gripens was "reportedly able to appear on the left wing of a Typhoon without being detected" by using its "extremely respected" jamming ability, Bronk said. The Gripen E series fully armed. To defeat Russia's fearsome fighters and surface-to-air missiles, the US has largely turned to stealth aircraft.
Stealth costs a fortune and must be built into the shape of the plane. If Russia somehow cracks the code of detecting stealth-shaped fighters, the US's F, the most expensive weapons system in history, is cooked. But Saab took a different, and cheaper, approach to combating Russia's fighters and missiles by focusing on electronic attack, which gives them an advantage over stealth because they can evolve the software without a ground-up rebuild, according to Bronk.
Map from showing Russian air-defense deployments. Saab plans to update the software on the Gripen E every two years, giving it more flexibility to meet evolving challenges, according to Bronk. However, Sweden benefits from a Russian focus on US fighters. Read more : Fs train in air-combat 'beast mode' in the Pacific after China deploys 'carrier-killer' missiles.
Sweden says it built a Russian fighter jet killer — and stealth is totally irrelevant
If war broke out between Russia and the West, Russia would likely try hardest to push back on US electronic warfare, rather than against Sweden's Gripen Es, of which there would be only a few dozen.
The whole concept of the Gripen E is to "operate in Swedish territory, take advantage of all sorts of uneven terrain under cover of friendly surface-to-air missiles with a superb EW suite which should in theory keep it safe from the majority of Russian missiles and air to air threats," Bronk said. Account icon An icon in the shape of a person's head and shoulders. It often indicates a user profile. Login Subscribe. My Account.
World globe An icon of the world globe, indicating different international options. Alex Lockie. Sweden's air force says its Gripen E fighter jets are designed to kill Russia's fearsome Sukhoi fighter jets, and that they have a "black belt" in that sermon topics for non believers of combat.I do have to ask why you didn't include the FE Strike Eagle in the comparison.
Good question! It's basically a FE with more advanced avionics and conformal "packs" that store missiles internally. I decided not to for two reasons. First of all, there just isn't that much information available about the FSE, as it is still in development and the design is not yet finalized. Last I saw, it was going to keep the vertical tail fins instead of the outward canted ones on the concept model. Second, I just don't believe it stands much of a chance to be considered.
It's performance would be exceptional, but Canada already passed over the F once, likely due to its high cost to purchase and operate. It would likely be a lot more affordable to procure now, but just as expensive to fuel and maintain. That, and the basic design is older than the CF it would potentially replace. Right now, its more of a "dark horse".
If not the FSE variant. How about the new build Strike Eagles e. I don't find the F too expensive to maintain. Because the F has sq. As stated by those in this discussion thread the F provides, longer range, bigger weapons load and speed benefits that other small fighters a. In turn, many of the new enhancements such as the fly by wire flight controls, and the availability of FPW, FGE or FGE engines should keep operating costs at or below the known costs.
However, Canada should consider the new build Strike Eagle which is a far better alternative to the F Although that may be true, it should not be the only consideration.
The answer to this question is not to be found simply by looking at fighter jet aircraft. As was shown, the single-engine F has proven to be more reliable than the earlier single-engine F but less reliable than the twin-engine F and F But with less than Gripens in service, this may not be the best indication of reliability. Canada has entirely different operational needs, as most roles involve long range or long endurance missions over the artic. While modern engines are very reliable, the loss of the engine overwater or artic guarantees the loss of the JSF, F and Gripen and also requires that the Navy commit search and rescue assets to support any operational deployment of JSFs, Fs and Gripens.
The Super Hornet concept was spawned inin part, as a replacement for the 30 year-old A-6 Intruder medium bomber. Though it had provided yeoman service since the early s, the A-6 was aging and on its way to retirement by the end of the Gulf War in The Navy earlier tried to develop a replacement during the s - the A - but bungled the project so badly that the whole mess was scrapped in Nevertheless, the requirement for an A-6 replacement remains.
Still stinging from the A debacle, the Navy tried to "put one over" on Congress by passing off a completely redesigned aircraft - the Super Hornet - as simply a modification of the original Hornet.The Differences Between SAAB GRIPEN and F-35 Fighter Jets
The obfuscation worked. Many in Congress were fooled into believing that the new aircraft was just what the Navy told them it was - a modified Hornet. In fact, the new airplane is much larger - built that way to carry more fuel and bombs - is much different aerodynamically, has new engines and engine intakes and a completely reworked internal structure.
In short, the Super Hornet and the original Hornet are two completely different aircraft despite their similar appearance. Though the deception worked, the new aircraft - the Super Hornet - does not. Because it was never prototyped - at the Navy's insistence - its faults were not evident until production aircraft rolled out of the factory. Among the problems the aircraft experienced was the publicized phenomenon of "wing drop" - a spurious, uncommanded roll, which occurred in the heart of the air craft's performance envelope.
After a great deal of negative press, the Super Hornet team devised a "band-aid" fix that mitigated the problem at the expense of performance trade-offs in other regimes of flight.The Gripen E is estimated to be able to shoot down 1.
The F shoot down 2. How that comes about is explained by the following graphic of instantaneous turn rate plotted against sustained turn rate in close combat. Turning and carrying a gatling gun in WVR combat remains as important as it has ever been. Most missiles miss in combat if the fighter jet has very good instantaneous turn rate. A high instantaneous turn rate is vital in being able to dodge the air-to-air missiles in the first place.
The aircraft on the upper right quadrant of the graph will have a higher survival rate. The ones on the lower left quadrant will produce more windows to be defeated by A2A missiles. The Gripen E has a U. The radar and the infrared search and track system are Italian.
The sensors, avionics and armament are European origin. Much of the airframe may be built in Sweden. The Brazillian airframe will be built in Brzail. The Gripen E is designed to carry more weapons further and to track multiple threats using the latest type of radar.
The weapons include guided glide bombs, long-range air-to-air missiles and heavy anti-ship armaments. The Gripen also has a 27 mm Mauser BK27 gun, which can be used in air-to-surface attacks against land and sea targets. Like others in the range, the Gripen E has a delta wing and fly-by-wire flight avionics. Unlike some others in the line, it has a greater fuel capacity, 20 per cent more thrust, more pylons, in-flight refuelling capability and increased take-off weight.
Gripen has a The latest version of the Gripen fighter jet was unveiled in May by Swedish aircraft maker, Saab. Boeing is a partner in the aircraft. The E fighter, the sixth variant in the Gripen family, is slightly bigger than previous versions, has a stronger engine and updated radar systems.
At the moment the Su is the fighter to beat. Su is almost as large as the F, with an empty weight of Sweden has invested in state-of-the-art sensors for ISR and situational awareness, including what may be the first in-service electronic warfare system using gallium-nitride technology.
Good IFF is most important in a confused situation where civilian, friendly, neutral, questionable and hostile actors are sharing the same airspace.
Harvesting technology rather than inventing it becomes more important as commercial technology takes a leading role and becomes more global.The Gripen has a delta wing and canard configuration with relaxed stability design and fly-by-wire flight controls. Later aircraft are modified for NATO interoperability standards and to undertake air to air refuelling. Inthe Swedish government began development studies for an aircraft capable of fighter, attack, and reconnaissance missions to replace the Saab 35 Draken and 37 Viggen in the Swedish Air Force.
A new design from Saab was selected and developed as the JAS 39, first flying in and entering service with the Swedish Air Force in Upgraded variants, featuring more advanced avionics and adaptations for longer mission times, began entering service in To market the aircraft internationally, Saab formed partnerships and collaborative efforts with overseas aerospace companies, including, inBAE Systems.
On the export market, early models of the Gripen achieved moderate success in sales to nations in Central Europe, South Africa, and Southeast Asia; bribery was suspected in some of these procurements, but authorities closed the investigation in As ofmore than Gripens of all models, A-F, have been built. Inthe government began a study calling for a versatile platform capable of "JAS", standing for Jakt air-to-airAttack air-to-surfaceand Spaning reconnaissanceindicating a multiroleor swingrole, fighter aircraft that can fulfill multiple roles during the same mission.
The preferred aircraft was a single-engine, lightweight single-seater, embracing fly-by-wire technology, canards, and an aerodynamically unstable design. Saab rolled out the first Gripen on 26 Aprilmarking the company's 50th anniversary. The cause of the crash was identified as pilot-induced oscillationcaused by problems with the FCS's pitch-control routine. In response to the crash Saab and US firm Calspan introduced software modifications to the aircraft.
A modified Lockheed NTA was used to test these improvements, which allowed flight testing to resume 15 months after the accident. On 8 Augustproduction aircraft was destroyed in an accident during an aerial display in Stockholm. Saab later found the problem was high amplification of the pilot's quick and significant stick command inputs.
The ensuing investigation and flaw correction delayed test flying by several months, resuming in December The first order included an option for anotherwhich was exercised in June On 26 AprilNorway signed a NOK million joint-development agreement with Saab to co-operate in the development programme of the Gripen, including the integration of Norwegian industries in the development of future versions of the aircraft.
This order was the first awarded under the provisions of the Letter of Agreement signed by the Norwegian Ministry of Defence and Gripen International in April Developing an advanced multi-role fighter was a major undertaking for Sweden. The predecessor Viggen, despite being less advanced and less expensive, had been criticised for occupying too much of Sweden's military budget and was branded "a cuckoo in the military nest" by critics as early as At the party congress of the Social Democratsthe dominant party in Swedish politics since the s, a motion was passed to stop any future projects to develop advanced military aircraft.
A new bill was introduced in  and a final approval was given in April with the condition that the project was to have a predetermined fixed-price contract,  a decision that would later be criticised as unrealistic due to later cost overruns.
There was public speculation that failures to address technical problems exposed in the first crash had directly contributed to the second crash and thus had been avoidable. The Gripen's cost has been subject to frequent attention and speculation. InSaab announced reduced earnings for that year, partly attributing this to increased marketing costs for the aircraft.
A two-seat aircraft, designated "Gripen Demo", was ordered in as a testbed for various upgrades. Saab studied a variant of the Gripen capable of operating from aircraft carriers in the s. Init launched the Sea Gripen project in response to India's request for information on a carrier-borne aircraft. Brazil may also require new carrier aircraft. InSweden awarded Saab a four-year contract to improve the Gripen's radar and other equipment, integrate new weapons, and lower its operating costs.
In Julyassembly began on the first pre-production Gripen E. The Gripen is a multirole fighter aircraft, intended as a lightweight and agile aerial platform with advanced, highly adaptable avionics.
It has canard control surfaces that contribute a positive lift force at all speeds, while the generous lift from the delta wing compensates for the rear stabiliser producing negative lift at high speeds, increasing induced drag. To enable the Gripen to have a long service life, roughly 50 years, Saab designed it to have low maintenance requirements.
One key aspect of the Gripen program that Saab have been keen to emphasise has been technology-transfer agreements and industrial partnerships with export customers. A number of South African firms provide components and systems — including the communications suite and electronic warfare systems — for the Gripens operated by South African Air Force.
Much of the data generated from the onboard sensors and by cockpit activity is digitally recorded throughout the length of an entire mission.Tks untuk komentarnya. Oom minta dijelaskan fitur "passive listening" pada radar aesa?
Dengan demikian, pihak yg memakai AESA tidak perlu menyalakan radar, dan menghilangkan resiko gelombang radarnya sendiri bisa dideteksi oleh lawan. Patut diketahui, kalau fungsi utk "melihat" gelombang radar lawan ini, dari dulu sudah dapat dilakukan dengan sistem Radar-Warning-Receiver RWR.
Perbedaannya, kalau RWR hanya memperingatkan pilot kalau ada lawan yg mendekat, AESA radar dlm passive listening mode akan dapat memanfaatkan gelombang radar lawan itu untuk menembakkan BVR missile. Dengan kata lain, AESA radar mengubah gelombang radar lawan, menjadi umpan manis untuk mengundang BVR missile menggigit pantatnya sendiri!
Dalam skenario Gripen v Su krn Su sudah pasti terpaksa menyalakan radar terlebih dahulu, Gripen akan dapat melihat Sukhoi secara pasif, tanpa pernah terlihat. Sebaliknya, karena pilot Su sudah menyalakan radar itu dari bbrp menit sblmnya, semua Gripen sudah dapat "melihat" dimana Sukhoi dari jarak ratusan kilometer, tanpa pernah perlu menyalakan radar mereka menjadi aktif, dan mengambil resiko "terdeteksi" RWR yg mungkin dibawa Sukhoi.
Karena jarak jangkau Meteor juga dikabarkan "melebihi km", ini memberi peluang utk Gripen menembak terlebih dahulu. Gripen tidak akan perlu menyalakan radar sendiri sampai detik terakhir, untuk memastikan dgn 2-way datalink agar Meteor membumi-hanguskan Sukhoi Semoga penjelasannya membantu.
Kehebatan vs kemandirian -- walau berkaitan, boleh dibilang ini adalah dua topik berbeda. Gripen vs F Australia. Ya memang sudah termasuk pelatihan, perawatan dan suku cadang. Maklum orang awam. Untuk harga per unit dalam transaksi penjualan sangat sulit untuk dijadikan patokan.
Semuanya akan tergantung akan 2 hal yg mendasar: Option apa saja yg diambil, atau apakah ada perubahan dari spesifikasi dasar yg ditawarkan penjual? Akibatnya, harga per unit menjadi lebih mahal! Brazil juga meminta persiapan produksi lokal, di pabrik Embraer. Kabarnya 14 pswt akan dirakit di Brazil. Dalam rencana jangka panjang, pada awalnya mrk juga akan memesan pswt tapi keuangan mrk skrg berantakan, jadi mngkn jumlahnya akan lebih sedikit.
Astra AAM missile is designed to be capable of engaging targets at varying range and altitudes allowing for engagement of both short-range targets up to 20 km and long-range targets up to 80 km using alternative propulsion modes. The maximum range of Astra missile is km it is not taken into calculation of data because it is still in test phase. Eurofighter and Rafale are lot better than Russian and Indian Su IAF pilots are more trained, almost h under there belt. And we need a new platform ….
Make su 30MKI a little bit smaller then is best in any way then Rafale. As rafale is smaller in size is used in mountain area like Kashmi. Russian engines have problems more frequent overhauls required, more unexpected maintenances which reduces fleet utilization. So you would need more Sus than Rafales to have the same number of aircraft available at any point. There is not significant difference between these two fighters, however a good pilot can make significant difference and hence can save good money on these fighters.
I think Sukhoi 30MKI is the best jet fighter and it suits with our requirement. We should develop indigenous technology with the help of private sector which would give us self confidence and retention of foreign currency, which would help us in long run.
We can also explore the export possibilities to earn foreign exchange. No doubt Sukhoi is a good one we have, but Rafale is an advance plane, it has a unique capability i. Why not buy half of the budget for SU and the other half for Rafale?
Good luck to your decision. Sukhoi will get much higher performance engines and a Phazotron Zhuk Me AESA radar and with many other armament and avionics in next 3 years so just dont believe that Rafale is better than Sukhoi. Rafale cant even do a degree turn, in 3 secs it is not a good dogfighter as it dont have higher angle of attack. Su is not fast and good, it is under Mach 2 airplane, armament and avionics of eastern production is not even close to western production.
Sukhoi is much better than Rafale. The speed of su 30mki is 2. And most important point is that now su 30mki has Brahmos missile. And only india has this missile.
Another fact that Su30 MKI is a 4. For the Vympell comes out better in all respects. Only thing is that its older technology. The rating thing depends on who does the rating. Rafale does not have better stealth ability than Su I think that Su is lot better than French Rafale. Second difference is its self defence system which is unique. There are other important parameters not listed here like long term reliability, endurance with low service, usability on rough fields, required knowledge of service personnel, required fuel quality… which are significantly better for Sukhoi.
Overall Rafale is quite good plane for peace service or some local colonial engagements while Sukhoi is very good sturdy war plane for rough environment which will fly until being destroyed. Rafale vs SU MiG Upgrade. F Raptor vs Sukhoi SU F Raptor vs SUAll information comes from wikipedia. Owner of this site is not responsible for potential mistakes or lacks of data Well I was home today because of medical appointments and I was able to get some painting done, I painted up one more JAS and two Su's.
The Gripen C and now the Gripen E has had further improvements, but no official data has been provided The Mirage should be more of a worry to the PLAAF because of the far larger stockpile of MICAs, and the fact these planes can engaged four targets simultaneously.
You don't happen to see a Su Flanker dogfighting with a F unless you visit Area Here are the.
The Su started out as an internal development project in the Sukhoi Su family by Sukhoi. The design plan was revamped and the name was made official by the Russian Defense Ministry in The incident sparked a blame game between the two countries. Military expert Igor Korotchenko commented on the encounter, noting that Russian spy jets don't fly along US borders Instead, what he photographed appears to have been Russian Su involved in a combat training with a US fighter jet.
The Su Flanker is a single seatlong range air superiority fighter. Anything you add to either the Su or Su you can add to the other. Can Soviet-era fighter jets like the one above, the twin-engine MiG Fulcrum, or the bigger one below, the Su Flanker.
The website said that Russia's Su fighters were technically similar to F jets, although the Russian planes were 30 percent cheaper. Russian pilots examined F jets at the base and proposed a simulated combat Laos berbatasan dengan Thailand di sebelah barat dan Vietnam di sebelah timur. Sementara itu Angkatan Udara Vietnam dilengkapi dengan jet tempur Su dan Su dari Rusia dan dilaporkan membeli jet tempur Su terbaru.
In my previous article, I covered the origin and the development of the Su in detail.
In this article I will track the evolution of the Su and its combat capabilities and we will see how it compared with its American rival, the F The previous article ended with the acceptance of the Su Nobody knows. Well, i think Russia use some Thale target pods these days but you get the picture. Rate in poll. Discussion in ' Air Warfare ' started by undertakerwwefanJan 13, It made its first flight on July 1,during first phase of testing, it retained the original camouflage and the bort number '56' A Russian Su fighter jet was deployed to intercept a US B strategic bomber over the Baltic Sea, and in a separate incident hours later, a MiG intercepted a Norwegian warplane approaching Russian airspace near the Barents Sea Su based fighter construction.
Compared to the Su design from which it is derived, the front fuselage diameter of the Su has been increased to accommodate the larger mm-diameter antenna of the Irbis-E radar The Su NATO designation Flanker is the front-line fighter aircraft designed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau.
A variant of the Sukhoi Su, it is a heavy, all-weather, long-range fighter. It is a modernized variant of SuSK with improvements as in.